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Message 116952 - Posted: 26 Sep 2025, 21:25:40 UTC

Next thing will be a microchip like an animal ...
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Message 116955 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 0:19:41 UTC - in response to Message 116952.  
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Next thing will be a microchip like an animal ....

Don't give them any more ideas.
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Message 116961 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 7:27:43 UTC - in response to Message 116951.  

https://x.com/TheGriftReport/status/1971545486923575659
I know, you don't watch X, but the question in the TikTok video is legitimate: is the digital ID the future of safety, or the first step toward a world where every part of your life is decided for you?
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Message 116963 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 8:46:26 UTC - in response to Message 116961.  

is the digital ID the future of safety, or the first step toward a world where every part of your life is decided for you?

I am never comfortable with slippery slope/first step arguments, whether they support my views or not. I don't find the idea of these digital IDs inherently a bad thing. I will however as I said wait for more detail before deciding whether they way our current incompetents want to implement the idea before deciding whether I support their proposal or not.
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Message 116964 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 9:03:02 UTC - in response to Message 116963.  

Why not let them start with a paper or plastic ID?
I have a plastic ID card for being able to ID myself when the police asks me to, and for trips in my country and within Europe, and a paper passport for possible trips outside those borders. I don't want a digital ID, even while the EU is trying to get that going through the with the eID (European Digital Identity, brrr) (A personal digital wallet for EU citizens, businesses and residents.)

Now, the immediate threat that you face is what Labour wants that digital ID to do, at first: "You will not be able to get work, unless you have the digital ID". Extrapolate the "you will not be able to get" to anything else you take for granted in life: electricity, water, a house, a car, insurance, groceries, health care, a bank account, (digital) money.

The problem with a digital ID is that they can track you, even better than Google/Apple can do with your phone.
It starts with one thing, and before you know it, it's a whole load of things "you will not be able to get" because you let them do that first thing.

(my opinion)
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Message 116965 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 12:45:09 UTC - in response to Message 116964.  

I understand your point of view. My biggest concern though is not them being able to track me etc, but that they will make such a pig's ear out of it that thousands or more will be locked out of everything or the system gets hacked. I see incompetence as much more worrying than conspiracy!
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Message 116967 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 13:46:17 UTC - in response to Message 116965.  

...that thousands or more will be locked out of everything or the system gets hacked.

With the new quantum computer systems being developed I don't think anything is going to be safe for too long on the Internet.

Once the information gets put on an 'Internet attached' computer, there's a near 100% chance eventually someone will get ahold of the data and extortion/ransom (pay us to not release or encrypt) will happen as we see every day now with various business.
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Message 116968 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 15:17:26 UTC - in response to Message 116965.  

I'm reading fun things.

Gov: You all need digital IDs!
Citizen: Why? I have a passport and driver's license.
Gov: Your passport and/or driver's license isn't secure enough anymore for your ID.
Citizen: Okay, so how do I get the digital ID?
Gov: You'll just have to identify yourself with your passport or driver's license...
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Message 116969 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 15:18:53 UTC - in response to Message 116967.  

And no one is ever held responsible for these breaches, no one is fired, no one is fined, no one goes to jail.
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Message 116970 - Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 17:29:56 UTC - in response to Message 116968.  

In reply to Jord's message of 27 Sep 2025:
I'm reading fun things.

Gov: You all need digital IDs!
Citizen: Why? I have a passport and driver's license.
Gov: Your passport and/or driver's license isn't secure enough anymore for your ID.
Citizen: Okay, so how do I get the digital ID?
Gov: You'll just have to identify yourself with your passport or driver's license...
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And in most cases, you only need a copy of your birth certificate to get a passport.

And you can buy a copy from the registry office where the birth was recorded.
And to get that copy, you only need a reasonable excuse for needing the copy.
It doesn't need to be 'you'.
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